In the archives you’ll find my article on the Dehorning Dilemma . Because I seem to like inspiring a bit of controversy, here is a video and instruction on how producers can sedate their kids (or calves) and disbud while the animal is semi-conscious. This drug also provides pain control (analgesia). While some of you may wonder what could be controversial about pain control when performing painful procedures on animals, I have already come under a bit of criticism mostly from professionals who seem concerned that farmers can’t learn how to do this safely and animals will die. I, on the other hand, believe that most of us have the capacity to learn and deserve these options.
15 thoughts on “Disbudding – Using Sedation”
I originally checked out your blog because I am interested in starting to make my own cheese. As a licensed veterinarian I was shocked to see the most recent post. Although I currently work on small animals exclusively, I have a lot of experience with cattle, mostly on the production side. I appreciate the need of producers to cut costs by doing veterinary work on their herd. Not only do I agree that farmers experienced in animal husbandry are capable of doing a number of procedures on their animals, but I think it is incumbent on the veterinary profession to assist them and make sure they are doing it the right way. I also wholeheartedly agree that animals should be given anesthesia before surgical procedures, such as dehorning, are performed. However, I do not think that any veterinarian should be providing a drug like zylazine to clients to be administered without veterinary supervision. It is an extremely powerful drug that affects the entire body, not just the brain. It causes marked changes in the cardiovascular system, especially. It is also very potent and if it were to be given IV be accident, the animal would be overdosed and potentially die without emergency veterinary care. Additionally, if an injection is given incorrectly in the rear leg then the sciatic nerve could be damaged. The animal would be crippled for life. Really, though, the biggest issue is that people are extremely sensitive to this class of drug. A mere needle prick from a syringe containing this drug could be fatal. That is why there is no abuse potential and the drug is not controlled by the DEA. Whereas I do think that producers can be actively involved with their herd’s health, it should be done with the supervision of your veterinarian not only for the animal’s safety but for the producers as well. Casey Ray, DVM
Hi, sorry I didn’t see this sooner! I really appreciate your comments. Part of what I hope to accomplish is this sort of objective conversation. Can you think of a viable option for larger scale producers to accomplish adequate sedation and pain control without the cost and logistical impossibility of having a licensed veterinarian present? Thanks!
I just randomly saw your reply. To answer your question two options I would suggest would be to 1)have several producers in the area pool their resources and bring the animals to one location where a vet could supervise, but not actually perform, the procedures. This would be ideal side work for a retired but still licensed veterinarian. Or, 2) learning how to administer local anesthesia in addition to a longer term pain medicine such as banamine can provide very effective intraoperative and postoperative pain control. It is, after all, the paradigm most often followed for small outpatient procedures in human medicine.
Thank you for this video. When I first had goats 20 years ago I was taught to disbud without using any sedation. I am starting a dairy and I must say that this procedure was the only emotional hurdle that I was not looking forward to. I will be speaking with my vet about sedation. I understand the concern from the vet’s comments above. Unfortunately as producers the cost to have a vet on-hand for a whole day or even half day is very costly. But I do understand their concern and I wish we had easy access to a veterinarian,
I agree. Perhaps we can all work together to find a realistic way for producers to provide adequate sedation without some of the valid concerns mentioned!
Hi Casey, I like the idea of your 2nd option. The first isn’t viable for goats, as the disbudding time must be within a few days of birth, meaning that disbudding is ongoing and can’t be delayed. Closed herds also preclude this option. But learning to do local blocks is an excellent option in combo with pain control. Thank you for this. I think I will try to add a session, with a vet teaching it, to our goat academy.
I just wanted to thank you for this! My husband and I are starting our own little Nigerian Dwarf herd on our 11 acres. I was horrified when I learned people do this to beautiful little goats with minimal/no pain management. I wanted to believe that “they really are fine” as those other videos tried to assure you (as the baby screamed in agony) but my extensive background in animal behavior and anatomy knew better. I can’t thank you enough for this refreshing method to a cruelty-free farm!
You’re welcome! I also will be doing a video this year on using local anesthetic, lidocaine, for the procedure. Hoping to give people options!
I have a small herd of Nigerian Dwarf Goats. My first babies will be born this May. I have been reading and watching videos on disbudding for a year now. Horrifying I cannot believe how easy people say, its ok, see they are fine. Take that hot iron and rotate it on your head for 7 seconds and tell me your ok with no pain block This is my biggest hurdle, I want them dehorned but I want it done humanely and I can’t afford the vet every week for 4 weeks. So my options become, let the horns grow. ( not really an option) dehorn inhumanly if i can, call the vet or figure out how to do it myself. I would think, vets primary concern would be for the humane treatment of the animal. And either teach the procedure or make it affordable.
I agree with the vet that it can be dangerous. But that’s the chance you as the owner takes in doing a vet procedure. However, i believe she is totally impractical on how to achieve cost-effective, humane disbudding.
I have been looking for a course on how to administer a pain relief for disbudding and have not been successful so far. I will be contacting my vet and seeing if we can come up with a solution.
I think, at the end of the day. All people, vets and layman should be looking at how we can all do whats best for the animal. In my opinion that is to humanly dehorn
The first part of the vet’s cost-effective solution is impractical. The second is worth looking into.
Hi Adelina, have you watched my video on You Tube showing how I do it using sedation? I’m convinced it’s the right way and totally agree with your sentiments. Please take a look if you haven’t, I recommend ways for people to approach their vet with this desire.
I called the vet a while ago. Then i emailed the vet last Saturday. Asked for a price, then a price using sedation. Then if they would be willing to teach me to measure and give the shot myself. then if they would measure the sedation and I could pick it up, then if they had any alternative suggestions how I can affordably, humanly debudd my goats. I think I have it covered. But as of yet no reply.
I watched the video above, not one on youtube. I also have the book by Cheryl k Smith and she has debudded this way for 10 years with no problems.
My dog vet slash horse vet is really good. If I cannot come to an agreement with the other vet I am going to approach her. she is very approachable.
If you have any other suggestions, that would be great.
I will keep trying to find a way
yes, that is the video I watched…. The book was the first glimmer that it could be done humanely, you were the second I found. I believe I read in the UK you cannot debudd without anaesthesia.
We could learn something from them
I hope this is a topic that we producers can address before an activist group makes it an issue. We need the support of veterinarians to do it, however. I strongly urge goat farmers to form a strong partnership with their vet and learn to dose risky drugs safely. Then we can all feel better. 🙂